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[Kenny Noe]

Infantry Support mortars do have too much deviation in MP

SEE.... TOLD Ya'!!! He'd side with you on this!! Mwwhhhaaaw! ;) Now that it's clarified into infantry support, artillery and swingers... Oy vey... hehhehLook forward to playtesting...

[Jonathan Coulter]

Seems we're talking about apples and oranges here. We're bringing up how to fire mortars and varying opinions on their accuracy AND taking about the Priest at the same time.As far as mortars are concerned, see my previous post.As far as SP guns ...Shoot-n-Scoot is the ability to move into (or out of) a position during the same activation as indirect artillery fire has been laid. This is not as simple as it seems and as Kenny pointed out only the most modern SP guns have the ability to do this. As for the Priest (and similar vehicles), you don't travel with the gun in its firing position. That would damage the gun. So while you don't have to "set up" the Priest (Wespe, etc) the crew is in travelling mode as is the gun. When you stop, the vehicle most position itself left/right, the crew must position themselves, ammo placed in the ready position, the gun must be uncliped from its restraint, raised to its firing position. This may or may not also require out-riggers and/or a spad to be deployed. To "scoot" everything must be done in reverse.So while a gun may be self-propelled, there are different steps involved in getting them ready to fire, or ready to travel. Some SPGs may require more, some less, but they all require time to setup in a game.

[gregoryk]

jcoulter wrote:

Infantry Support mortars do have too much deviation in MP. Halving the deviation is probably the easiest way to resolve it. Or, simply say deviation is 1" (or maybe 2") regardless of what the deviation die says. Also, infantry support mortars were rarely use as battery. In fact, I've never read of an occasion where they were used that way, although that doesn't mean they weren't. However, it may make sense to simply state infantry support mortars can not be fired as a battery.

This is in fact what we have done, with a slightly different technique of seeing how the mortars hit their targets. One method is to subtract -2 or -3 from the deviation die to see if the mortars are on target. This gives a 50% or 67% accuracy rate. The other is to use TQ to determine if the mortar fire is on target, then deviate it 1-2" based on how much it misses.

.... now, to the original post ...

Great!Gregory

[Sacha]

This note may not be in sequence of this discussion, but a note to SP howitzers like the Wespe and Hummel. They most likely would not do IF on a scoot and shoot situation. Maybe a direct lay of one shot or two is possible but problematic. Reason is that the firing compartment was a bit limited, when they would perform a barrage they would open the rear hatches to give more room to the crew for their actions. No spads necessary, just leg room.

[gregoryk]

Sacha, you get such great information. Can you look up the M7?Gregory