AA fire
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Posted 26 February 2006 - 05:11 PM
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Posted 26 February 2006 - 05:27 PM
Post edited by: gregoryk, at: 2006/02/26 17:32
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Posted 27 February 2006 - 10:04 AM
No, the moving speed is built into the DM. Probably needs to be clarified in the rules though.One question: does the moving modifer count for aircraft in addition to their (usually) negative DM when airborne?
No, Aircraft use their own Evasive Modifier (EM) from the Aircraft Table Chapter 16, page 16.2, second column, Evasive Movement section.Also, when would the -5 evasive mod come into play, if ever?
I don't see why not.Though AA fire has ROF=1, if there is a Bonus roll, can it be "free-shifted" onto a different target as with small arms fire?
IMHO the acquisition arc should be increased to 120 degrees.For AA OW, it seems overly restrictive for these guns to have a narrow acquisition arc. Is it reasonable for these fast-traverse guns to be able to cover more than a 30° slice of the sky?
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Posted 01 March 2006 - 09:15 AM
I would say yes if the AA weapon is "small arms", otherwise no.Though AA fire has ROF=1, if there is a Bonus roll, can it be "free-shifted" onto a different target as with small arms fire?
I need to double check and see what is actually written, but it has always been intended that AA weapons not have any arc restrictions, even on overwatch. These guns could rotate very rapidly and I see no reason for a restriction. I will make it clear in the revision.For AA OW, it seems overly restrictive for these guns to have a narrow acquisition arc. Is it reasonable for these fast-traverse guns to be able to cover more than a 30° slice of the sky?
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Posted 02 March 2006 - 08:05 AM
There is no restriction on AA OW as to its covered arc. It is essentially 360 degrees. AA OW is only limited for Non-Dedicated AA Fire since any Non-Dedicated AA Fire must make a TQ Check to shoot, but it is also a 360 degree coverage. Which leads me to say we need to remove the arrow from the existing AA OW counters (yes we have them, Jon. :evil:) to eliminate any confusion as to a covered arc for AA Fire.The "no covered arc for AA fire" is in the rules, since I just read it twice and it made some sense both times. The example of the M15 is not good though since it can be dual purpose air-to-air and air-to-ground, and was. This leads me to a change in the definition of Non-Dedicated and Dedicated AA Fire. I believe should be revised since any gun mounted (MG and/or Cannon) can be dual purpose (air-to-air and air-to-ground) then you might want to consider the following:Dedicated AA OW should be any AA capable weapon placed on AA OW and Non-Dedicated AA would be any AA capable weapon NOT on AA OW.Thoughts? :whistle:Well let me put this one in the DUH column for myself. There is no arc that I can find in the AA Overwatch rules. Non-Dedicated AA Fire (basically all tank mounted AA MGs or any gun that can be used as multi-purpose and not specifically for AA only defense, must make a TQ check to be able to fire at an aircraft, no matter where it is. Dedicated AA Fire may shoot at an aircraft no matter where it is without the TQ check. Sorry I totally missed this earlier and should have pointed it out.
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Posted 03 March 2006 - 07:47 AM
Well, I gaffed this one. Thanks to Gregory for pointing me straight to it. It is in the rules on page 16.9 Second Column under "Direct AA Fire and Overwatch" Section. The rule reads:"Place an AA OVERWATCH marker next to the stand with the arrow pointing in the direction the gun is monitoring."This need to be changed too, then. :)The "no covered arc for AA fire" is in the rules, since I just read it twice and it made some sense both times.
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Posted 26 March 2006 - 10:15 AM
What exactly are the “applicable” modifiers? Earlier clarification indicated target (aircraft) speed is not a factor. Altitude is not a factor. Horizontal distances, DM, firer OM are all factors. Is that it?[/li][li]Is a MG on a vehicle listed as “AA” a dedicated AA weapon?[/li][li]Question arose about why an AA gun on ground OW cannot also be on AA OW. If they have an AA gun mount, which is purpose-designed for fast traverse, sighting, etc, would it take them a full activation to shift their sights to aircraft in clear view, especially since they are already on OW, which presupposes heightened spotting? Would it not be simpler to just say they are on OW for whatever their weapon can shoot at?[/li][/ol]Here's a gift for those with audio inclinations: [file name=divebomb.wav.zip size=33395]https://www.odgw.com/components/com_simpleboard/uploaded/files/divebomb.wav.zip[/file] Thanks!GregoryDirect AA fire is resolved per Direct Fire rules, including all applicable modifiers.
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Posted 26 March 2006 - 11:08 AM
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