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#1 Harlan Garrett

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Posted 17 February 2009 - 10:48 AM

I found a couple more vehicles (all M-18 relatives) that would be good addition to the Secret Weapons Supplement:M18 with Roof Armor Kit - Roof armor kit were under trail at the end of the war. They came too late and were never authorized for productionT86 76mm amphibian gun motor carriage - Was an attempt to develop a more seaworthy alternative to the T7 device. Although this vehicle proved reasonably buoyant, it was difficult to operate in the sea and no serial production took place. T86 105mm amphibian gun motor carriage - Same as the T86, but with a 105mm howitzer.M18 90mm GMC - Was a short-lived attempt to increase the firepower of the M18 by replacing the normal turret with that from the M36 90mm GMC. The war ended before any serious conversion program was contemplated.M39 AUV with Roof Armor Kit - The vulnerability of the open troop compartment in the M39 AUV led to experiments with a simple roof armor kit over the hull opening, but this was not accepted for production.Sonic M-39 - The most secret version of the M18 was the "Sonic M39" one of a number of vehicles configured with a large retractable loud-speaker for broadcasting tank sounds to deceive enemy forces about the location of US units. Used in combat in 1944-45 in Italy and the ETO on these deception mission. There were also a M10 variant.M39 AUV with 81mm mortar - The 72nd Tank Battalion, 2nd ID converted some of their M39 AUVs into self-propelled 81mm mortar vehicles in 1952. (Korean War Variant)M39 AUV with Quad .50 cal - The 32nd AAA battalion decided that it would be more useful to mount their quad .50-cal machine turret on their M39 prime mover instead of towing it on a trailer. This was one of a number of field-expedient self-propelled weapons built using the M39 AUV in Korea. Source:New Vanguard 97 - M18 Hellcat Tank Destroyer 1943-97, Steven J Zaloga; Osprey Publishing; 2004

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Posted 18 February 2009 - 02:19 AM

Hey Harlan,Thanks for sharing. :)So what about stats for these? ;) I would love to add these to the book.

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Posted 18 February 2009 - 04:06 AM

I will work on some suggested stats and send them to you later this week.

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Posted 19 February 2009 - 02:13 AM

Great Harlan!Thanks! :)

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Posted 25 February 2009 - 01:20 PM

Here are some preliminary stat’s for some M-18 variants and a few other vehicles:M18 Roof Armor KitYr: NM (Late 1945)Main Weapon: 76mm M1A2Move: 8/10Class: 4/-/-/-Secondary Wpns: -/-/1H/-Combat Stats: 0/-4/no/1Offensive Stats: 13/-/1*/8*/HVAP:18Defensive Stats: P,G/0/1/3/1/2/1Notes:BPV: ?T86 76mm Amphibian Gun Motor Carriage (M18 Hull)Yr: NM Main Weapon: 76mm M1A2Move: 7/9Class: 4/-/-/-Secondary Wpns: -/-/1H/-Combat Stats: 0/-4/no/1Offensive Stats: 13/-/1*/8*/HVAP:18Defensive Stats: P,G/0/1/2/1/1/0Notes:BPV: ?T87 105mm amphibian gun motor carriage (M18 Hull)Yr: NM Main Weapon: 105mm M4Move: 7/9Class: 4/-/-/-Secondary Wpns: -/-/1H/-Combat Stats: 0/-4/no/1Offensive Stats: -/14/3*/11*/-Defensive Stats: G/0/1/2/1/1/0Notes:BPV: ?M39 AUV with Roof Armor Kit (M18 Hull)Yr: NM(Late 1945)Main Weapon: Move: 8/10Class: 4/3/1/6Secondary Wpns: -/-/1H/-Combat Stats: Offensive Stats: Defensive Stats: -/-1/1/3/1/2/1Notes: Also known as the T-41E Command and Reconnaissance Vehicle (or CRV for short)BPV: ?M39 AUV SPMYr: NM(1946)/1951(for Korean War)Main Weapon: 81mm MortarMove: 8/10Class: 4/3/1/6Secondary Wpns: -/-/1H/-Combat Stats: -/-/-/2Offensive Stats: -/-/1/9/-Defensive Stats: -/-1/1/3/1/2/0Notes: MX:58BPV: ?M39 AUV SPAAGYr: NM(1946)/1951(for Korean War)Main Weapon: 4x12.7mmMove: 7/9Class: 4/3/1/6Secondary Wpns: Combat Stats: See Small Arms +3Offensive Stats: -/-/-/-/HMGDefensive Stats: -/-1/1/3/1/2/0Notes: BPV: ?Sonic M-39Yr: 1944Main Weapon: Move: 8/10Class: 4/3/1/6Secondary Wpns: -/-/1H/-Combat Stats: Offensive Stats: Defensive Stats: -/-1/1/3/1/2/0Notes: Vehicle configured with a large retractable loud-speaker for broadcasting tank sounds to deceive enemy forces about the location of US units. BPV: ?M36 Roof Armor KitYr: 1945Main Weapon: 90mm M3 Move: 5/7Class: 4/-/-/-Secondary Wpns: -/-/1H/-Combat Stats: 0/-4/no/1Offensive Stats: 15/1/2*/10*/HVAP:19Defensive Stats: G/1/1/9/3/3/1Notes: BPV: ?Sonic M-10Yr: 1944Main Weapon: Move: 5/7Class: 5/2/1/6Secondary Wpns: -/-/1H/-Combat Stats: Offensive Stats: Defensive Stats: -/-1/1/8/3/3/0Notes: Vehicle configured with a large retractable loud-speaker for broadcasting tank sounds to deceive enemy forces about the location of US units. Mounted a dummy turret. BPV: ?GHQ has come out with a new series of microarmor – Wehrmarcht 47 – and a couple of the vehicles are listed in WWIISW supplement and a few are not. I have some proposed stats for those not listed. GHQ calls the E-5 the SdKfz 350 or SdKfz 351 depending on the role (recon or APC). SdKfz 350/1 Recon Infantry CarrierYr: NMMain Weapon: Move: 7/9Class: 3/#/2/6Secondary Wpns: 1/-/1H/- Combat Stats: Offensive Stats: Defensive Stats: -/-1/1/3/2/2/0Notes: BPV: ?SdKfz 350/9 ReconYr: NMMain Weapon: 20mm L55Move: 7/9Class: 3/-/-/-Secondary Wpns: 1/-/-/-Combat Stats: +1/-3/no/3Offensive Stats: 3/-/-3*/3*/APCR:5Defensive Stats: -/-1/1/3/2/2/0Notes: BPV: ?SdKfz 350/13 SPATG 75L48 Pak 40Yr: NMMain Weapon: 75L48Move: 7/9Class: 3/-/-/6Secondary Wpns: Combat Stats: 0/-3/no/1Offensive Stats: 12/-/1*/8*/APCR:16Defensive Stats: -/-1/1/3/2/2/0Notes: BPV: ?SdKfz 350/17 Light Tank (Should be the same as the PzKpfw E-5 Wanze)SdKfz 351/1 – E5 Wanze APC (no overhead protection)Yr: NMMain Weapon: Move: 7/9Class: 3/#/2/6Secondary Wpns: 1/-/1H/- Combat Stats: Offensive Stats: Defensive Stats: -/-1/1/3/2/2/0Notes: BPV: ?SdKfz 351/2 – 81mm Mortar CarrierYr: NMMain Weapon: 81mm MortarMove: 7/9Class: 3/-/-/6Secondary Wpns: 1/-/-/- Combat Stats: -/-/-/2Offensive Stats: -/-/1/9/-Defensive Stats: -/-1/1/3/2/2/0Notes: BPV: ?SdKfz 350/19 Infantry Support Weapons 75L24 Stummel GunYr: NMMain Weapon: 75L24Move: 7/9Class: 3/-/-/6Secondary Wpns: Combat Stats: -1/-5/no/1Offensive Stats: 5/8/1*/8*/-Defensive Stats: -/-1/1/3/2/2/0Notes: BPV: ?SdKfz 350/21 SPATG 75L48 Pak 40Yr: NMMain Weapon: 75L48Move: 7/9Class: 3/-/-/6Secondary Wpns: Combat Stats: 0/-3/no/1Offensive Stats: 12/-/1*/8*/APCR:16Defensive Stats: -/-1/1/3/2/2/0Notes: BPV: ?

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Posted 26 February 2009 - 02:29 AM

Thanks Harlan! I'll get to these as soon as I can. I've been working on the updates to WW2 Data Book (which includes your previously posted errata and added artillery, as well as, Mark1's French 75mm updates). I may have a couple of questions for you when I start adding these so atay tuned. :)

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Posted 26 February 2009 - 03:57 AM

Great, I cannot wait for the updates. Harlan




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