Determining what is an Engagement
#1
Posted 07 March 2012 - 10:51 PM
I am trying to determine what qualifies as an engagement, this is particularly important because of the situation I am in. The rules state the following:
An engagement between two forces means their non-Patrol mission was not successful. To qualify as an engagement, a side must:
1. visually detect all of the other side’s ships, AND
2. have three rounds of tactical area interaction, OR
3. receive damage from the opponent.
This can be interepreted in two ways and me and my opponent couldn't figure out which. Can you please let us know which of the following two is the correct interpretation:
(1 AND 2) OR 3 = Engagement
1 AND (2 OR 3) = Engagement
Thanks in advance
#2
Posted 07 March 2012 - 11:01 PM
Capt. John Paul Jones
#3
Posted 08 March 2012 - 10:15 AM
Which means that if you damage any ships from the opposing side then it's considered an engagement, which makes sense.
The situation we currently have is this:
I, the IJN, have launched a Bombardment force from Truk, the force was intercepted by an Allied Patrol. During the tactical combat I am attempting to withdraw my forces so that I can continue on to the bombardment mission without being engaged. I have split my force into two commands, a screening destroyer squadron, and my battleship squadron. The Battleships have almost left the table and while they have been detected by enemy radar they have not been visually acquired. The destoyer force has been acquired and is putting up a smoke screen, but in the process one of the destroyers sustained damage from Allied gun fire. There have only been two rounds of tactical combat and I am close enough to get off the board on the next turn.
This means that my force has not completely been visually spotted (1), has not taken part in 3 rounds of combat (2), but it has sustained damage (3).
Furthermore my BB squadron that has not been visually spotted, can I send them off the table, making them count as unengaged allowing them to continue with the bombardment mission while the DD squadron stays behind and engages the patrol. Or does the entire force count as either engaged or unengaged together?
I wish the rules were a little clearer in this regard. Thanks again.
#4
Posted 09 March 2012 - 02:26 PM
Once again, thanks in advance.
#5
Posted 12 March 2012 - 04:36 PM
1 and 2 or 3. Defining what constitutes an engagement was one of the more difficult things to decide, when writing the game. We had to come up with something that could cover a myriad of circumstances. Good judgment is required to decide if enough has happened in the way of interaction so that one side's breaking off makes sense.Hello,
I am trying to determine what qualifies as an engagement, this is particularly important because of the situation I am in. The rules state the following:
An engagement between two forces means their non-Patrol mission was not successful. To qualify as an engagement, a side must:
1. visually detect all of the other side’s ships, AND
2. have three rounds of tactical area interaction, OR
3. receive damage from the opponent.
This can be interepreted in two ways and me and my opponent couldn't figure out which. Can you please let us know which of the following two is the correct interpretation:
(1 AND 2) OR 3 = Engagement
1 AND (2 OR 3) = Engagement
Thanks in advance
#6
Posted 12 March 2012 - 04:42 PM
The engagement rules were put in to keep players from gaming the system and to have some way of deciding when a break off would qualify as being chased from the sea. In essence sea denial. Your BB's are part of the same force that is being engaged they would stay together, as BB's would still want their screen with them, and the general rule is that a mission is engaged together.I was interpreting it the other way as (1 AND 2) OR 3 = Engagement
Which means that if you damage any ships from the opposing side then it's considered an engagement, which makes sense.
The situation we currently have is this:
I, the IJN, have launched a Bombardment force from Truk, the force was intercepted by an Allied Patrol. During the tactical combat I am attempting to withdraw my forces so that I can continue on to the bombardment mission without being engaged. I have split my force into two commands, a screening destroyer squadron, and my battleship squadron. The Battleships have almost left the table and while they have been detected by enemy radar they have not been visually acquired. The destoyer force has been acquired and is putting up a smoke screen, but in the process one of the destroyers sustained damage from Allied gun fire. There have only been two rounds of tactical combat and I am close enough to get off the board on the next turn.
This means that my force has not completely been visually spotted (1), has not taken part in 3 rounds of combat (2), but it has sustained damage (3).
Furthermore my BB squadron that has not been visually spotted, can I send them off the table, making them count as unengaged allowing them to continue with the bombardment mission while the DD squadron stays behind and engages the patrol. Or does the entire force count as either engaged or unengaged together?
I wish the rules were a little clearer in this regard. Thanks again.
#7
Posted 12 March 2012 - 05:33 PM
1 and 2 or 3. Defining was constitutes an engagement was one of the more difficult things to decide, when writing the game. We had to come up with something that could cover a myriad of circumstances. Good judgment is required to decide if enough has happened in the way of interaction so that one side's breaking off makes sense.
Thank you for the response, however, I don't think you answered my question as '1 and 2 or 3' can be interpreted in two ways.
Also I hope you guys had a good showing at Cold Wars?
#8
Posted 12 March 2012 - 06:33 PM
You are certainly welcome to interpret the rule any way you see fit, for your game, in fact that is the best way to go.The engagement rules were put in to keep players from gaming the system and to have some way of deciding when a break off would qualify as being chased from the sea. In essence sea denial. Your BB's are part of the same force that is being engaged they would stay together, as BB's would still want their screen with them, and the general rule is that a mission is engaged together.
#9
Posted 05 April 2013 - 11:14 PM
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