Question regarding German Ship Logs
Posted 06 May 2013 - 10:17 AM
Posted 06 May 2013 - 03:43 PM
Posted 06 May 2013 - 06:01 PM
Posted 06 May 2013 - 07:39 PM
I have purchased the German deluxe ship log and have found an apparent contradiction between the deluxe logs and the logs supplied with the GQ 3.3 download. The ship logs supplied with the GQ 3.3 download show that the German destroyers that carry the 5.9" carry the 5.9D version of the gun and thus use the 5.9D column on the Kriegsmarine CRT table and as a result, cannot rapid fire. When I check these same destroyers on the deluxe ship logs that I purchased, the logs show that the destroyers carry the 5.9 model that is not a D version. This would allow those destroyers to use the 5.9 column on the Kriegmarine CRT and would allow rapid fire. Is this a purposeful change to the destroyers or is this an error? Thanks: Adam Jones
The GQ 3.3 ship logs would trump the Deluxe Logs. According to more recent research, the mark of guns carried by the German DDs were not capable of rapid fire (due to several factors). (This issue was discussed among the development group for some time before a decision was made.)
Posted 06 May 2013 - 07:41 PM
Plus, the single mounts were hand-loaded, which definitely limits rate of fire. Especially on a DD, which is not the steadiest of platforms.
Actually, for smaller guns, hand loading tends to be faster. The best example of this was the US 5"/38 which could achieve some truly remarkable rates of fire (granted, for limited duration).
Posted 06 May 2013 - 11:56 PM
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Posted 01 October 2018 - 09:54 AM
I have another question...
In the Ship Logs for the German "pocket battleships" , there's a "D" to the right of the hull boxes. That's where "Unit Engineering" usually goes on large vessels.
Apologies for sounding thick as syrup, but what do the "D"s stand for? These "pocket battleships" seem to be the only warships that have it.
Please advise, shipmates!
Posted 01 October 2018 - 02:03 PM
The D stands for diesel engines.
As to how that ties to UE, I don't believe the rules say one way or the other (i.e. for all cases), but based on the following statement from https://www.world-wa...land_class.php3, "There were four separate motor rooms, two per shaft, the after pair driving the port shaft.", I treat the Deutschlands as having UE.
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Posted 02 October 2018 - 05:23 AM
Thanks Dave. Yes, those puppies had eight two-stroke diesels, so that makes perfect sense.
As you say, I don't think it makes any real difference to the rules, expect that it might make fires a little harder to start.
Nasty smelly things - give me steam turbines any day! I'll just label them "Unit Engineering" on my ship cards.
Posted 02 October 2018 - 04:25 PM
As far as I can remember, the only place diesels effect play is the time to get underway.
Posted 03 October 2018 - 05:25 AM
Right. Thanks Dave. Next time I catch the Admiral Scheer in port then I'll remember that.
Of course the real advantage of diesels comes in a campaign game, and their ability to stay at sea a long time between pit stops.
On the tabletop though, I'd prefer the speed a good steam turbine gives you...
Posted 03 October 2018 - 07:49 PM
Spot on on the advantages in a campaign. Of course, for most of the games all of us play, the difference is really moot.
Posted 04 October 2018 - 02:19 PM
If you look in the AAR section, I've been running The Atlantic Campaign (which was written for Naval Thunder, but we've been using GQ3.3). The Germans have lost Graf Spee and Scheer principally because they have run up against HMS Renown - a battlecruiser getting to do what she was actually designed to do, hunt down cruisers, instead of trying to slug it out against BBs.
Posted 05 October 2018 - 05:25 PM
That's it, rub it in. My cruisers were designed to be faster than anything that could sink them and stronger than anything faster than them. However, there was a catch. They were neither faster or stronger then any of the Brit or French BCs. Its like it says in the song; "I searched the world over and thought I'd found true love. But I'd found you and (spit) I was gone." Hee Haw.
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