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#1 Gregory Wong

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Posted 23 January 2007 - 05:19 PM

The basic rules say that buildings provide Linear Cover for stands hiding around corners. But I don't see a modifier for Linear Cover, only Hard and Soft Cover? What is the modifier for Linear Cover?

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Posted 23 January 2007 - 05:38 PM

Well, on the Advanced reference Card (ARC) that would be +5. You are right that linear cover is not on the Basic Reference Card (BRC). Hmm, I hope that is one of the things that was fixed in the revision of the rules which is almost ready for release. Thanks for the catch! :)

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Posted 24 January 2007 - 06:20 PM

I just downloaded the revised full rules.The modifier for Linear Cover is still missing from the basic rules.Also, in the Advanced Core Rules, there is a spotting modifier for being in Soft or Hard cover, but not for Linear cover. Should there be a spotting modifier for Linear cover?

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Posted 25 January 2007 - 06:08 AM

Does sound like we need to address this issue. I will take care of the reference cards. Jon will have to take care of the tables in the rules section. I sould have the BRC fixed by NLT Sunday 1/28. Thanks again. :)

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Posted 25 January 2007 - 12:45 PM

In the meantime, what is the spotting modifier for a target in Linear Cover in the Advance Core Rules? The chart says soft cover is -1 and hard cover is -3. What is Linear Cover, -2?

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Posted 25 January 2007 - 04:57 PM

saxophone wrote:

In the meantime, what is the spotting modifier for a target in Linear Cover in the Advance Core Rules? The chart says soft cover is -1 and hard cover is -3. What is Linear Cover, -2?

Yes.Gregory

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Posted 25 January 2007 - 10:03 PM

Basic Reference Card has been amended to add Linear Cover. It has been posted to the Private Access Library -> MP Core Rules -> Individual Files (Revised Edition) section with the change.

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Posted 26 January 2007 - 06:03 AM

The cover modifier for linear cover has got me thinking. I have not considered linear cover as suitable for hiding (although in the rules it clearly states that 'may hide within, or behind, cover'. So in our games a Sherman has not been able to ‘hide’ behind a low wall. The wall may make the tank harder to hit but I am unconvinced that it could be hidden. We have interpreted the cover for hiding as either soft or hard only.The contradiction is that infantry could indeed be hidden by a wall, fence or hedge, and as a house rule we have allowed this, as long as the wall or fence remains between the hidden stand and the observing stand. We have not allowed any non-infantry units to hide behind walls, fences and hedges regardless of their size for simplicity – I know there is a whole world of difference between a King Tiger and a Jeep but we don’t want to get bogged down in that kind of detail.I have assumed that in MT the rules for hiding infantry might be revised as a system to simulate both a single large AFV and a squad of multiple men is difficult without lots of additional modifiers and exceptions – which are possibly beyond the remit of MP.I don’t see a lot of issues with the revised rule as written – maybe clarify that stands can only be hidden in soft and hard cover (if that’s what you guys want!) Leave linear cover mods for infantry to MT.Regards Trotsky

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Posted 26 January 2007 - 06:09 AM

I have made the fix adding the -2 Linear Cover to the Spotting Table on the Advanced Reference Card. However, I hit a wee bit of a problem with Adobe Acrobat so it may be a bit of time (NLT Sunday though) getting that straightened out before I can post the revised ARC on the site. Sorry for the delay. :blink:

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Posted 26 January 2007 - 02:26 PM

Trotsky wrote:

The cover modifier for linear cover has got me thinking. I have not considered linear cover as suitable for hiding (although in the rules it clearly states that 'may hide within, or behind, cover'. So in our games a Sherman has not been able to ‘hide’ behind a low wall....Regards Trotsky

What if the Sherman is hiding around the corner of a building? The rules clearly state that a vehicle can hide around the corner of a building get receives Linear Cover (not hard or soft).

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Posted 26 January 2007 - 06:15 PM

You are quite right Saxophone - the rules as written work as you state. In terms of corners I don't quite see how they can hide a tank - the tank is either out of sight or partialy visible thus earning the linear mod for direct fire. I think there is quite a difference between between partially visible and hidden.Anyway these are just my thoughts - none of them are official rules.Trotsky

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Posted 27 January 2007 - 04:29 PM

Trotsky wrote:

The cover modifier for linear cover has got me thinking. I have not considered linear cover as suitable for hiding (although in the rules it clearly states that 'may hide within, or behind, cover'. So in our games a Sherman has not been able to ‘hide’ behind a low wall. The wall may make the tank harder to hit but I am unconvinced that it could be hidden. We have interpreted the cover for hiding as either soft or hard only.

Trotsky,You bring up a good point. In the original iteration of the spotting mechanism, cover and concealment were two different things. So there were two kinds of concealment, soft and hard (we called them dense and sparse to distinguish them from cover mods), and more types of cover which provided protection from fire. Some concealment is great, like houses, but if they are wooden they do not provide as much cover from fire as one might like. The simplest method is to ignore linear cover when spotting vehicles. Assume they are in soft cover, -1. Note that large vehicles, DM >+1, will not be helped much by that mod, while smaller ones will.Cheers,Gregory




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