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#1 Marcin Zgiernicki

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Posted 04 December 2005 - 03:29 AM

According to AFV database and some other sources the Sherman tanks were equipped not only with general smoke rounds for the main gun but also had smoke mortars fixed in the turret roof. I've also found several notes on British tanks being equipped with 2" smoke mortars.Could anyone check/confirm this and maybe update the databook files?MZ

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#2 Bob Benge

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Posted 05 December 2005 - 09:59 AM

I will check this out and update the databook. Thanks for your input! ;)

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#3 Jonathan Coulter

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Posted 11 December 2005 - 12:33 PM

I am unaware of mortars being attached to top of the Sherman turret. I have several books on the M4 and none mention this, although I'm sure odd things such as this were done by individual crews. I also believe this was not done by the British either, at least not on their Shermans.

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Posted 11 December 2005 - 04:57 PM

Yea.... "We don't need any negative waves, Moriarty!!":P

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#5 Marcin Zgiernicki

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Posted 12 December 2005 - 12:10 AM

jcoulter wrote:

I am unaware of mortars being attached to top of the Sherman turret. I have several books on the M4 and none mention this, although I'm sure odd things such as this were done by individual crews. I also believe this was not done by the British either, at least not on their Shermans.

Just as an example - some quick links, all mentioning Sherman's 2" smoke mortars:http://www.wwiivehic...m4_sherman.htmlhttp://www.combatmis...dtanks/m4a1.asphttp://www.geocities...ricantanks.htmland something about Britshttp://www.geocities...itishtanks.htmlCanadianshttp://www.junobeach...-arm-can-ep.htmAnd I did found a lot more...MZ

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Posted 12 December 2005 - 12:10 AM

jcoulter wrote:

I am unaware of mortars being attached to top of the Sherman turret. I have several books on the M4 and none mention this, although I'm sure odd things such as this were done by individual crews. I also believe this was not done by the British either, at least not on their Shermans.

Just as an example - some quick links, all mentioning Sherman's 2" smoke mortars:http://www.wwiivehic...m4_sherman.htmlhttp://www.combatmis...dtanks/m4a1.asphttp://www.geocities...ricantanks.htmland something about Britshttp://www.geocities...itishtanks.htmlCanadianshttp://www.junobeach...-arm-can-ep.htmAnd I also found this (sorry for rather poor quality but it's the best I could get):Posted ImageThe text under the picture says: "The production M4A2 (serial number 15161, registration number USA 3056341); note 50,8mm smoke mortar installed in the left side of the turret roof"Don't know how to insert more than one picture in the post but I also have some pictures from the british manual for Sherman Vc Firefly showing the inside of the turret and the 2" smoke mortar(BTW it could be loaded from inside).MZ Post edited by: mazgier, at: 2005/12/11 23:10

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#7 Kenny Noe

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Posted 12 December 2005 - 10:25 AM

I know the British were in favor of having the 2" smoke mortar on their tanks and probably refitted some to their Shermans.

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Posted 13 December 2005 - 08:38 AM

Some compelling info here, Jon. I am sorry I haven't gotten to this yet as I have been excessively busy over the holidays with no let up in site until near the end of the year. I promise I will get this done though. From what I have seen I would probably add this but I wanted to check a couple of books I have that are specific to US and British tanks. I'll post back here when I finally can get to this.

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Posted 15 December 2005 - 12:32 PM

All I can say without further information is "Cool Beans". B)

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Posted 15 December 2005 - 06:34 PM

Just looked in Jane's Armor and Artillery 1979-1980. And sure enough!! The description for the M4A3 stated a 2" smoke mortar!!Hmmm, all those games I could have won... NOT!:woohoo: Bob - Looks like you've got your work cut out!! Hehehe

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Posted 15 December 2005 - 08:28 PM

Lookit what I found... Thanks to Tank-Net.orgPosted Image

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#12 Bob Benge

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Posted 10 January 2006 - 09:59 PM

Well, I was able to find this info in numerous books in my posession. The data was placed in an obscure area in each of the books, but that is no good excuse to not have found it. Anyway I have updated all of the Shermans for all countries but the Brits (since they already had them anyway). I also updated the Chaffee since it too had the M3 2" smoke mortar like the Sherman. I found nothing on the M3/M5 Stuarts or any other tank to make me change them as well. The Playtest file has been updated for the Mein Panzer ET and the future Mein Panzer Lite ET. Thanks for all the input. :woohoo:




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